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06-01-2022, 06:04 AM
#231
Trip7
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Originally Posted by DALFA
The policy up until 2018/2019 was that we stop service when you guys made the "initial descent" announcement and that was generally made somewhere around 22-25k feet on the way down. Then it was changed to the top of descent which added about 5 minutes time in part because of high OJI rates.
I don't go crying to the Chief Pilot every time a pilot doesn't stay during deplaning because they had to make their commuter flight in violation of the FOM so please don't tell us how we shouldn't stop service at top of descent.
I agree with you 100% on stopping service at or before TOD. Statistics prove it has reduced OJIs. As far as pilots staying during deplaning the FOM says should, not must. No pilot will ever get in trouble for leaving early as it's not a requirement and in these days of late operations, quick turn times, plane swaps and long lines for food, it's basically a requirement to bail early during deplaning
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06-01-2022, 06:26 AM
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notEnuf
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Originally Posted by Crown
I’ve had FAs calling me saying it’s way too bumpy to do a service when it’s smooth beyond smooth. They feel a ripple and won’t do anything for 30 min after.
conversely, I’ve had CAs tell the FAs to stay seated until they call them, and it’ll be nearly an hour into the flight before they do. So it goes both ways. Both sides need to do their jobs.
The company directive is to protect the FAs and lower injury rates. I do what I'm told. I also think the newer more critical wings transmit turbulence better. I don't recall the older airplanes I've flown being as bumpy. And the 737-900 is a pitchy b!tch. The back end never stops moving.
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06-01-2022, 06:43 AM
#233
JamesBond
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
DL does not do a real service on MCO-ATL, a 1.5 hour flight.
It's a 1 hour flight wheels up to wheels down.
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06-01-2022, 06:45 AM
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JamesBond
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm not crying to the chief vending machine either. Not sure why you even brought up chief pilots. I'm saying our service is lacking compared to other airlines. All the other airlines can provide service on shorter legs. So can you
wow........
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06-01-2022, 07:25 AM
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DALFA
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm not crying to the chief vending machine either. Not sure why you even brought up chief pilots. I'm saying our service is lacking compared to other airlines. All the other airlines can provide service on shorter legs. So can you
Chief vending machine? Nice, really mature.
Im saying, pre-Covid we did the most services overall and now post-Covid they are gradually adding back services. So you focus on your overhead panel and well focus on testing our seat back entertainment for quality assurance.
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06-01-2022, 07:29 AM
#236
DALFA
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I agree with you 100% on stopping service at or before TOD. Statistics prove it has reduced OJIs. As far as pilots staying during deplaning the FOM says should, not must. No pilot will ever get in trouble for leaving early as it's not a requirement and in these days of late operations, quick turn times, plane swaps and long lines for food, it's basically a requirement to bail early during deplaning
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The FOM says you stay onboard unless its operationally necessary for you to leave does it not? We both know leaving to drive home or catch a commuter flight has nothing to do with the operation. Having said that, it doesnt bother me because I dont get paid to worry about what you guys do and when another FA brings it up (trust me, they do) I tell them the exact same thing
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06-01-2022, 07:57 AM
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CBreezy
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Originally Posted by DALFA
The FOM says you stay onboard unless its operationally necessary for you to leave does it not? We both know leaving to drive home or catch a commuter flight has nothing to do with the operation. Having said that, it doesnt bother me because I dont get paid to worry about what you guys do and when another FA brings it up (trust me, they do) I tell them the exact same thing
It says should. Should is not will. And I've seen communications from the CPO that says if one person stays in the door at the end of the trip, the other can leave.
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06-01-2022, 08:31 AM
#238
Rooster435
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Can we start a new thread where Pilots and FAs can talk past each other. That way I wont keep clicking on the United AIP thread thinking thats what Im going to read about.
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06-01-2022, 09:18 AM
#239
boog123
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Originally Posted by Rooster435
Can we start a new thread where Pilots and FAs can talk past each other. That way I wont keep clicking on the United AIP thread thinking thats what Im going to read about.
but that service between MCO and ATL .
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06-01-2022, 09:27 AM
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DALFA
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Originally Posted by boog123
but that service between MCO and ATL .
Better than the full-service we used to do on ATL-JAX on a 757.
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